tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post5272327968664405878..comments2024-03-02T21:28:03.033-05:00Comments on Old Long Island: 'Hilaire'Zach L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/04464823999255502522noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-28186585347902954922015-10-29T17:42:24.227-04:002015-10-29T17:42:24.227-04:00Yes gentlemen in fact I am the owner of the proper...Yes gentlemen in fact I am the owner of the property/home that you have referred to above... we live in the carriage house that was part of the original Bertles Estate. The prior owners told us that the home was built in 1904 and housed their staff including the coachman who was from Scandinavia, named Ivan. The home still has the original stables and tack rooms and remains largely unchanged. We would be thrilled to hear of any additional information that you may have about our home or the original Hilaire...thank you. GordonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-23211389602359685622014-12-29T23:29:16.117-05:002014-12-29T23:29:16.117-05:00Thanks for the interesting info!
Our family has o...Thanks for the interesting info!<br /><br />Our family has owned a carriage house for 30+ years that was part of the Bertles Estate, built in 1904. Any additional info/photos would be so appreciated! Thank you!GMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13995724482486408250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-82527945632445904332014-12-29T23:25:57.147-05:002014-12-29T23:25:57.147-05:00Hello:
I'm the owner of the carriage house th...Hello:<br /><br />I'm the owner of the carriage house that was part of the Bertles estate. We have been restoring it since 1982 and the family before us worked on it for many years before us. We would be FACINATED to learn more about this estate and see any associated photos of it. Thank you very much! GMAGMAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13995724482486408250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-19938400771310089462012-04-30T11:50:42.670-04:002012-04-30T11:50:42.670-04:00I have just spoken to the neighbor of mine who own...I have just spoken to the neighbor of mine who owns the A frame house on Valley Road referred to above. she told me that she purchased the property in about 1958 and built her house on the foundation of the Bertles house, which we assume was the original Hilaire. She does not remember the house itself which she believes had been torn down three or four years before her purchase. She did mention a late friend of hers who remodeled an old barn in Glen Cove in the mid 1950's and would proudly tell people that she had used windows "from the old Bertles mansion" which she had purchased when the house was torn down. My neighbor siad that they were huge "floor to ceiling" windows, which leads me to believe that the Bertles must have, as I suspected, substantially remodeled Hilaire.magnushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09181183756484194127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-85359523638007950692012-04-29T19:14:26.477-04:002012-04-29T19:14:26.477-04:00If anyone still is reading these comments on April...If anyone still is reading these comments on April 28th HPHS posted a very nice piece on none other than CPH Gilbert and his 5th Avenue townhouse for FW Woolworth in NYC.archibuffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-47109439030017761172012-04-29T18:34:04.055-04:002012-04-29T18:34:04.055-04:00DFP --
After seven shots, I stopped counting.
So...DFP --<br /><br />After seven shots, I stopped counting.<br /><br />So nine sounds about right.The Ancienthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11662492574558280077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-90660472148212906322012-04-29T00:43:18.712-04:002012-04-29T00:43:18.712-04:00HPHS- I will have to take a ride down Harwood Road...HPHS- I will have to take a ride down Harwood Road which seems to run parallel to Valley Road where Hilaire once stood to see if any of those houses look like they could incorporate an earlier building. I remember locating the Bertles family in the 1930 US Census and being struck by the large number of servants they employed- which seems to indicate that Hilaire was expanded into something larger and grander than its original version. There were also, if I remember, one or two employees involved in the care of horses, which would confirm some sort of farm group.magnushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09181183756484194127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-67560195866421175032012-04-28T19:48:37.123-04:002012-04-28T19:48:37.123-04:00Magnus - Two houses back from Valley, behind the A...Magnus - Two houses back from Valley, behind the A-frame with wings is a tan roofed house. I did check awhile back at mynas and that property had info indicating it was part of a small farm group. Since then property changed hands between relatives(per mynas) and that information is now gone. It does state is was built in 1904.HalfPuddingHalfSaucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05322213537553774149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-15175625686975665912012-04-28T12:03:28.309-04:002012-04-28T12:03:28.309-04:00Zach- if Ian correct, the house stood just slightl...Zach- if Ian correct, the house stood just slightly to East of the protected woodlands. There are currently three houses on the property, two of early 1960 vintage. When I was a child, one of these very banal ranch houses looked out on a large, circular marble basin and pergola, clearly the remnants of a fairly grand garden.<br /><br />By the way, I find all the scrub trees around this version of Hilaire really odd- like an Adirondack camp more than a grand Long Island estate.magnushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09181183756484194127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-65114649250268619042012-04-28T08:00:14.093-04:002012-04-28T08:00:14.093-04:00Ancient, regarding your drinking game -- I count n...Ancient, regarding your drinking game -- I count nine, & that's counting that Palladian collection of windows over the front door as one. Did I match your count?Doug Floor Plannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-840662323706083112012-04-28T07:05:12.656-04:002012-04-28T07:05:12.656-04:00magnus...
That is precisely where the house was. ...magnus...<br /><br />That is precisely where the house was. According to the 1906 Belcher Hyde map it stood south and slightly west of Winfield in between Valley Rd and Woolsey Ave. I believe part of the property is now in that little patch of protected woodland.Zach L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04464823999255502522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-70429963566994768742012-04-27T20:26:25.127-04:002012-04-27T20:26:25.127-04:00Zach, your reference to a "silhouette in the ...Zach, your reference to a "silhouette in the third floor window looking back at me" -- I believe there is someone in this house looking at the photographer; second floor, next to the last window to the right. According to the floor plan that window is in some kind of closet.<br /><br />DED the actor reference I would have used is William Shatner -- why he has had a successful career is a mystery to many.Doug floor Plannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-4178846947410315962012-04-27T16:00:38.697-04:002012-04-27T16:00:38.697-04:00Interesting to reflect on what drives a publishing...Interesting to reflect on what drives a publishing house; either introducing a formerly untapped subject matter or the potential sales that a specific firm, family or design period might yield and who gets overlooked in the shuffle.<br /><br />If Long Island includes Brooklyn, and it should, Gilbert designed dozens of attached rowhouses, speculative homes for builders and free standing town homes in the upscale brownstone neighborhoods of Brooklyn at the turn of the twentieth century.NYarchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-39751605701043532142012-04-27T15:10:50.275-04:002012-04-27T15:10:50.275-04:00Are we speaking actual numbers of buildings by, or...Are we speaking actual numbers of buildings by, or posts featuring? The latter would skew actual statistics about who has the most built commissions on Long Island.The Down East Dilettantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13950254669198151850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-55513816601685530672012-04-27T14:22:02.261-04:002012-04-27T14:22:02.261-04:00For better or worse Gilbert is the third most feat...For better or worse Gilbert is the third most featured architect on Old Long Island. Tied with McKim, Mead & White and ahead of Carrere & Hastings. <br /><br />Gilbert doesn't need a book... it's mostly all right here (and on BGA).Zach L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04464823999255502522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-14147458820322205132012-04-27T14:11:34.282-04:002012-04-27T14:11:34.282-04:00DED is either getting old or getting weak. Did he ...DED is either getting old or getting weak. Did he just state that CPH deserves a book?<br /><br />And don't knock "barbed wire". Pamela as a private investigator of sorts, gets to fly a helicopter and considering the difficulty that she must have in reaching a steering wheel or operating controls of any kind, that performance is oscar worthy enough for me.<br /><br />But to comment on the elevator issue, most elevators of this era were chiefly used in service areas of the home. Of course there are exceptions, but they were to aid servants in their duties of hauling heavy trunks and luggage to bedrooms or storage rooms, to transport linens and seasonal clothes from attics to bedrooms, etc, so an elevator going from the basement service/storage/laundry area to the bedroom level makes perfect sense to me. Both levels probably had the greatest amount of day to day servant chores to be done. You could easily skip the Dining room which is well served by the butlers pantry. <br /><br />A 3 volume set on CPH? Hmmmmm? Winfield and Pembroke on the front and rear covers? One can dream...archibuffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-10912017636362634062012-04-27T13:20:25.915-04:002012-04-27T13:20:25.915-04:00I don't disagree that Gilbert deserves a book-...I don't disagree that Gilbert deserves a book---flawed he may have been, but he was also prolific, and had some of the most important clients of his day, and had an impact on the cityscape.The Down East Dilettantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13950254669198151850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-57420989339873148032012-04-27T13:12:57.948-04:002012-04-27T13:12:57.948-04:00I was the one who mentioned many posts ago that I ...I was the one who mentioned many posts ago that I had suggested to Acanthus that they publish a book on CPH. It would still be fun to see one, though I admit the cogency of DED's arguments re his being good vs great and appreciate the specifics you offer (and of course there are MANY books on MMW). Anyway, what I have to offer re this house is that perhaps the drawings leave out the elevator door in the dining room. But even if so, it would be an awkward handling of the problemRichard Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-26801749820328860492012-04-27T12:41:28.305-04:002012-04-27T12:41:28.305-04:00What's wrong with you guys?
Falconetti made ...What's wrong with you guys? <br /><br />Falconetti made one movie and she's still considered one of the greatest actresses in film history.<br /><br />(I mean, have you *seen* <i>BarbWire</i>?)The Ancienthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11662492574558280077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-81941717492321944282012-04-27T12:17:07.846-04:002012-04-27T12:17:07.846-04:00Okay, Zach, congratulations, you've driven me ...Okay, Zach, congratulations, you've driven me to an all time low, ever. I have just gone to IMDB and looked up the filmography of Pamela Anderson, something I never dreamed I'd spend a minute doing.<br /><br />I amend my statement to read "...is like saying Pamela Anderson is a great actress simply because she has done a lot of TV and a few movies". Indeed, like CPH, her output is prodigious, and goes way beyond Baywatch (or do I mean beneath, if such a thing can be imagined?)The Down East Dilettantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13950254669198151850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-21150008080744013412012-04-27T12:08:11.516-04:002012-04-27T12:08:11.516-04:00Pam Anderson has made a lot of movies? I can'...Pam Anderson has made a lot of movies? I can't even think of A movie. Just Baywatch and that video...yes that one.Zach L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04464823999255502522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-10378051055263161402012-04-27T12:04:29.827-04:002012-04-27T12:04:29.827-04:00*I of course meant Pamela Anderson, the artist for...*I of course meant Pamela Anderson, the artist formerly referred to as Pamela Lee*The Down East Dilettantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13950254669198151850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-17509227742776551752012-04-27T12:01:43.135-04:002012-04-27T12:01:43.135-04:00Criticism aside...this place would make one hell o...Criticism aside...this place would make one hell of a haunted house for Halloween.<br /><br />I half except to see a see-through silhouette in the third floor window looking back at me.Zach L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04464823999255502522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-37897657935376120932012-04-27T11:57:37.515-04:002012-04-27T11:57:37.515-04:00Variety is the spice of life!!!!
How come nobody ...Variety is the spice of life!!!!<br /><br />How come nobody has mentioned genius? masterpiece?archibuffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6807386654523336456.post-47947816900912057712012-04-27T11:57:18.509-04:002012-04-27T11:57:18.509-04:00'confuses ornament with design'. Exactly....'confuses ornament with design'. Exactly. <br /><br />I really do not single out CPH for criticism---it's just that he's the architect who seems to be the lightening rod for polar opinions about what constitutes design quality. For me, Gilbert fails most of the tests most of the time---which does not mean that some of his buildings aren't good---though not Great---or at least interesting---or even a symbol of the excesses of their era, like Pembroke. <br /><br />I measure the quality of his work by details, proportion, integration of parts, and resolution of design problems, and find it mostly lacking. Opulence and grandeur can be by-products of a design, but are not themselves indicators of design quality.<br /><br />To say he was a good architect simply because he was successful is like saying Pamela Lee is a great actress because she has made a lot of movies. (In fact, I could make a fair analogy between the excessively appointed Ms. Lee and some of Gilbert's more overblown buildings, but we'll save that for another day.) Gilbert gave his clients what they wanted---impressive well built buildings. There is not a single true capital 'G' Great Building in his ouevre. <br /><br />If professional success is the indicator of design talent, then many of today's McMansion architects are among the Greatest Designers of All Time.The Down East Dilettantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13950254669198151850noreply@blogger.com