Friday, May 14, 2010

'Knole' Stable

The stable to 'Knole', originally the Herman Duryea estate designed by Carrere & Hastings c. 1903 in Old Westbury. The stable suffered a major fire about ten years ago and the surrounding property has since been subdivided. Click HERE for more on 'Knole'.

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

These don't seem to be in the style of the house at all - same architects?

Zach said...

Yes same architects. They were far enough away from the house (not visible) that they chose a different style.

The Down East Dilettante said...

It seems to me that one could see the elegant stable portico from the gates, no?

those were the days

HalfPuddingHalfSauce said...

Historic imagery at Google Earth back to 1994 shows the stables still standing along with greenhouses. And yes you must have been able to see the stable thru the gates.

HalfPuddingHalfSauce said...

Check out the links I added to -http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.7882426&lon=-73.59061&z=16&l=0&m=b&show=/1866025/Knole&search=knole - mynassau shows the place FRESHLY painted.



Off the subject of Knole but hope to hear from a few people on this subject.

I'm prompted by my recent discovery of the Playhouse location from "Oak Point" and the fascinating story of "Mona" told by Monica Randal. {I have a book coming called The power of style : the women who defined the art of living well. Supposedly tells the story of Mrs. Harrison Williams and her art of living re: married to richest man in America, best dressed, jewelry galore and a Rolls for every day of the week!}

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.9132329&lon=-73.5655233&z=19&l=0&m=b&show=/16296640/Playhouse-location-for-Oak-Point

Its been mentioned before that a book could be written on the LIGC Farm Groupings. I think the Playhouses could use their own.

Monica Randal in her first book{1979} states there were more then 20 "Play Palaces" still being used. I know of a few tagged at wikimapia such as J Pratt/Glen Cove YMCA, The Welwyn ruin, Pembroke's etc.
A few more - http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.7663594&lon=-73.6039138&z=17&l=0&m=b&show=/15826548/LIGC-Watson-Webb-Playhouse&search=webb


http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.8601015&lon=-73.594258&z=17&l=0&m=b&show=/4071297/Hilaire-Cherrywood-Sports-Complex&search=cherrywood

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.814337&lon=-73.4623253&z=17&l=0&m=b&show=/6550941/East-Woods-Tennis-House&search=%20tennis%20house%20

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.8519622&lon=-73.5408604&z=18&l=0&m=b&show=/3922664/Farlands-Playhouse&search=farlands



Of course Sunken Orchards/Woodward estate, Bogheid, Dodge Sloane estate and the Whitney gymnasium.

My goal would be to have whoever make comments about what they might know about these playhouses.
What ones are missing from the list?

Anonymous said...

you could get your OWN blog

HalfPuddingHalfSauce said...

True enough.

HalfPuddingHalfSauce said...

HOWEVER - you can hide behind your rude comment - until Zach tells me to stop I will continue to post! I've been working with oldlongisland.com for a couple of years now helping in tagging these Long Island Gold Coast estates for posterity. Why you need to single me out when I'm not even the most prolific poster here is beyond me.

Anonymous said...

HPHS -
James W. O'Connor was perhaps the best know designer of playhouses. Some of his efforts along with Sunken Orchard were the Webbs (Woodbury House), Ralph Pulitzer (Kiluna Farm), W.R. Grace Jr. (The Crossroads) and Mrs. George Sloane (Locust Valley) - don't know much about her place - Zach?
Doug

cattychick said...

HPHS,
For what it's worth, I believe that your comments add lots of value to an already enchanting collection of content. So thank you.

You've mentioned Monica Randall's books. Although her "Mansions of Long Island's Gold Coast" is out of print, and the writing is rather florid, it is a most informative book. I also loved her account of having lived at Winfield Hall in the 1970s. Wish she would publish another book, or at least update her website.

Anonymous said...

it is rough busting HPHS for his detailed and very valuable comments, it is also a shame that his thoughts are looked upon as competition for Zach.
one of the joys of this site is the collegial sense of information sharing, it would be a loss to all of us if people felt that they could not get involved to the extent that they want to be for fear of another's negative comments.

The Down East Dilettante said...

I'm with anonymous. And having just received my own first rude comment in five months of blogging, I'm especially sympathetic this morning. I'm personally a great believer in the importance of sharing information, and forums in which to do so, and I think that a lot of important information turns up in a blog like this one (hats off to Zach, and a nod to his constructive commenters), and it represents an extraordinary archive resource. To see everything as a competition where one must die that the other may live is a sad way to see life.

Turner Pack Rats said...

and its great to go to zachs google earth (and now bing - thanx zach) link and also see the amazingly huge amount of work on wiki maps done by HPHS. but for him, i never would have seen all those great nassau county tax pix or found the southhampton blog. zach and HPHS are a great combo that make daily life richer for me. and all the other li experts also. sharing info is the only way to go,
today i have to get my seedling biz going but can't wait to get back to all those links to the playhouses. they are probably the unique feature of all these houses. i think boathouses should be included on the playhouse list as they seem to be the first to go.
keep up the good work - zach and others.

security word def - "smsaties" - little known dwarf branch of a impressionist composers family

Turner Pack Rats said...

and i forgot to ask. is the building that sits where the stables were a new building or the stables rebuilt because it kind of has features of the old stables and looks a little too odd to be a house?

security word def -" hukouse" - where a famous mark twain character lived

HalfPuddingHalfSauce said...

To your question TPR - where do you see a building? Bing and Google Earth show a construction site - dirt and pipes?

I sheepishly appreciate the positive comments. I'm all for the collective knowledge this site offers along with wikimapia. My intent over the years has been to further "the cause" at what ever level I can. Never to insult with intent. If I have - I do apologize.


The work tagging these estates at wikimapia has been a great discovery/learning experience. There are now over 800 LIGC tags. I can see finding a 1,000 or more. There is no other visual map that displays all these places at once. The combination with oldlongisland brings the best resources to everyone.

james said...

is there a suffolk county site like mynassauproperty.com?

after seeing the homes in southampton today,i'd love to get sq footage and assessed value details

keep up the great work,HPHS and Zach

HalfPuddingHalfSauce said...

There is a similar site - http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/departments/countyclerk/Online%20Land%20Records.aspx#LandRecords

"This site contains information on land records recorded and imaged into the Suffolk County Clerk's Office Imaging System from 1987 to present."

"Must use the 19 digit number Tax Map ID No. also known as the District Section Block and Lot numbers."

"You may contact the Town Assessor's office in which the property is located to obtain the Tax Map Identification Number."

If you want earlier records you have to go in person. They have records all the way back to 1857.

james said...

you all know they're building a huge house smack in the middle of the old driveway,and there are plans for 3 more similar ones on the grounds? check out the real estate listings for beech ct,all just under $10m

HalfPuddingHalfSauce said...

http://longisland.pruelliman.com/details/start.aspx?propid=046M002142184&VIP=ClassTrulia&syndication=true

HalfPuddingHalfSauce said...

That can't be right that shows property off Bacon Rd???

Zach said...

The subdivision over where the old stables were, the new street they put in, is tolerable to me. It's that one in the middle of the main driveway that kills me.

HalfPuddingHalfSauce said...

http://www.lindenestatesatoldwestbury.com/index.htm

This is it.

Zach said...

HPHS...that's not it, that was the proposed development of the A.C. Bostwick estate. They were going to put in a new street off of Bacon Road across from the high school (hence that map you saw). The first house featured on that site is the extant Bostwick place. The whole thing clearly did not pan out because the place has not yet been subdivided and I believe the entire estate is back on the market for something like $17 million.

The Down East Dilettante said...

Zach, your Knole stable post is sort of commented out (one never knows which posts are the ones that are going to take off, does one?), so I thought I'd just add this personal note of despair to yours about the house in the middle of the driveway. It just hornswoggles me. After all these years of education, and general public affection, for the planned landscapes of great estates, developers still go out of their way NOT to use the features that could make their developments most attractive. Up here, a college has taken over several of the big Bar Harbor estates, including three with landscape features by four important designers---Olmstead, Farrand, Lowell & Sargent---and their architect, who considers old features an inconvenience to his own scheme, has mostly obliterated them---most recently with a building across what had been the main driveway to the Turrets, a chateau designed by Bruce Price in 1895. Not a reason in the world for the building not to have been fifty feet to the North. Not satisfied with that, he then actually pursuaded the college to take down the 15 foot high wrought iron gates and wall, to make a 'unified street front, and for good measure, the very interesting granite wall of the neighboring estate as well. The joke in all this? It's a college of human ecology---one would think that it would make them more aware of sustainable preservation. I'm very happy to report that I was on a building committee for the library in our town and was able to block consideration of said architect for our own building (his own prelim proposal was predictably contemptuous of the existing building---not interestingly contrasting, of which I would approve, just contemptuous.

Anyway, that was a digression to the rest of my point, which is that I remember the wonderful view down the driveway at Knole, and it just defies imagination to destroy that-----and dear f-ing god, I saw the sketch of the new house. Where, oh where, with all the superb architects in the world do they find these hack designers?