Wednesday, December 3, 2014

'Grove Point'

'Grove Point', the Samuel Vernon Mann estate in Kings Point with landscaping by Beatrix Jones Farrand.  Mann was a partner in the brokerage firm of Mann, Pell & Peake.  It appears the residence has since been demolished.


Anonymous said...

Still standing, probably on shrunken acreage, though the residence may have been enlarged, likely altered, though not unsympathetically:

An earlier owner named Robert W. Mott
owned it from at least the 1830's.
S.V. Mann certainly altered the structure during his time there.

Anonymous said...

Sad to report that the Christian Philip Dittman house in Amityville, posted 8/26/14 is having its beautiful green tile roof removed today.

Doug Floor Plan said...

Anon 11:16PM -- Good eye; but I think you didn't paste all of the Bing link. I can't get it to work, plus I don't think a Bing map link ends in ==. I'd appreciate seeing the house. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

DFP, perhaps get the bearings on Wikimapia first, then use Bing for the better angle. It's the best I can come up with now. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, here is Grove Point on Wikimapia.

Doug Floor Plan said...

Anon 9:23pm -- thanks. This is the link I came up with on Bing:

This house has been discussed before -- the two big chimneys on one wall facing the water made it a candidate for another house we were trying to locate.

Difficult to make a good comparison to the photograph -- too much trees & shrubbery. I'm not sure what part of the existing house would have been the part in the photograph.

Anonymous said...

DFP, I realize photos or renderings would be better than alignments on old maps, but with the tools immediately available, I see little doubt that S.V. Mann's (prev. Robt. W. Mott's) 'Grove Point' and not H.P. Booth's 'Broadlawns' rightly corresponds with Wikimapia's category placement for it. I think you'll agree
Belcher-Hyde's 1914 map, shows Booth's larger manor much further from shore.

(Map keys denoting distance, bldg. size etc. exist on the main page).

-Note building size can appear confusing and inconsistent at times for most historic maps I've seen from that cartographer.
Google Maps street view puts you at the driveway of what is now 21 Harbour Rd. but the vista will likely only tease.'21.0%22N+73%C2%B043'32.7%22W/@40.8226494,-73.7260216,3a,75y,20.51h,89.21t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sK273QjxZI0cREKYmq3z0cg!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

Cautionary note regarding the pursuit of online maps- As does a Chinese gold puzzle jewel box beckon further, darker, deep within lurks the final, unseen, nest of vipers -deadly. When globetrotting from armchair remember to keep eye on clock.

Anonymous said...

I forgot to mention. I've no idea why the misspelling of 'Geat' for 'Great', as in Great Neck, by the Historic Map Works website. Thankfully it's not so for the half dozen other maps which include Great Neck.

Unknown said...

Thank you for your posts. From a Mott descendant